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[WalkingDeathBot]

So for all of us who are buying into Operation Inception we will have a good jump on the newbies. In WoT however tanks are divided by tier so often time vets could intentionally play low tiers and stomp away on noobs. I think MWO will spread out the player base more, we'll see.

Your thoughts and feelings on noobs, stomping noobs, and skill disparity are all encouraged.

[Aethon]

< Posting in a thread about noobs, written by a noob.

[Kazzamo]

If by "noob" you mean a new player... well unlike WoT there are no teirs for mechs. If you like Jenner and it plays well for you then you never have to leave that Jenner since there is no higher teir light mech. So a new player is just as valid/dangerous as someone that's played for months. Now if you mean inexperienced player... well you don't want to make them hate the game. You drive people off that's one less person spending money in the future. That one less person thing starts to add up and that can lead to big money not going into the game and improving it.

Edited by Kazzamo, 12 June 2012 - 07:27 PM.

[WalkingDeathBot]

Kazzamo, on 12 June 2012 - 07:26 PM, said:

If by "noob" you mean a new player... well unlike WoT there are no teirs for mechs. If you like Jenner and it plays well for you then you never have to leave that Jenner since there is no higher teir light mech. So a new player is just as valid/dangerous as someone that's played for months. Now if you mean inexperienced player... well you don't want to make them hate the game. You drive people off that's one less person spending money in the future. That one less person thing starts to add up and that can lead to big money not going into the game and improving it.

I completely agree with you. However, all of us who will be dropping money and closed beta players are going to have a significant skill advantage once the open beta is released. So all I'm saying is, if I see a guy running an Atlas with just machine guns, well yeah, I will try to kill him right away, have a laugh, and then perhaps suggest a better weapons load out.

[Dirk Le Daring]

Everyone starts at the beginning. Everyone is a "noob" at some point.

To target inexperienced players, is in my honest opinion cowardly.

Just my view on this.

[Evedro Solais]

Umm,
Newb: Short for Newbie, a relatively new member of an activity. Example: Everyone on Launchday excepting the Beta Testers.

Noob: A player that cannot seem to figure out how to play properly and is dead weight. Example: Lasboat w/o enough heat sinks or Someone who only brought 1 Ton of ammo for their two UAC/5s

N00b: Pretentious form of Noob, typically resorts to unsportsmanlike conduct to cover for a lack of skill. Example: Noob-tubers in CoD that refuse to play with anything other than underbarrel grenade launchers.

Nub: Something that is baseline for the given skill level. Example: Pre-raid gear from Heroics in WoW is Nub.

[Zack Delphirian]

Evedro Solais, on 12 June 2012 - 07:52 PM, said:

Umm,
Newb: Short for Newbie, a relatively new member of an activity. Example: Everyone on Launchday excepting the Beta Testers.

Noob: A player that cannot seem to figure out how to play properly and is dead weight. Example: Lasboat w/o enough heat sinks or Someone who only brought 1 Ton of ammo for their two UAC/5s

N00b: Pretentious form of Noob, typically resorts to unsportsmanlike conduct to cover for a lack of skill. Example: Noob-tubers in CoD that refuse to play with anything other than underbarrel grenade launchers.

Nub: Something that is baseline for the given skill level. Example: Pre-raid gear from Heroics in WoW is Nub.

You should submit that to dictionnaries around the world, because that is important knowledge right there !


To the topic at hand, being quite a noob myself I can only base my experience on other games : I both love and hate noob-bashing.

First of all, as Solais said, you must distinguish the Newb who wants to learn, asks stuff before hand and follow the team on assauts/defenses to try and not be a dead weight ; and the noob who just keeps charging straight ahead on the first red point he sees on his radar and end up dying in a huge ball of flames created by 12 PPCs firing at once...

The first ones are very important and usually nice and I do my best to include them later in my guild/clan/group because they are future excellent players and should be taught as best as possible and treated with respect, even when they do mistakes. In other games with teamplaying, I usually keep them in a team of veteran players, or fi they are many, form a team of newbs and appoint a vet' as the team-leader, a patient and very well trained one since commanding and teaching takes priority over personnal scoring and...surviving.

As for the noobs, I don't even speak to them since they are gonna quit the game after being killed 5 times in 20 minutes and not figuring out why...But I just love to see one of them arriving at the top of the hill just to be greated by a huge alpha-strike from a whole team

[IIIuminaughty]

I enjoying owning anyone that comes in my way...so don't get in my way noob or expert

Edited by StrataDragoon, 12 June 2012 - 08:12 PM.

[Hawkeye 72]

Not sure who really enjoys noob stomping...does USC enjoy crushing a 1-AA team? Do the Yankees enjoy stomping the Twins?

There is no honor nor victory in defeating clearly inferior opponents. You haven't proven anything except you can beat someone who is significantly weaker than you, which is expected.

[Sychodemus]

I thoroughly dislike that term.

[WalkingDeathBot]

Forgive my misuse of the term noob, I also am not a huge fan of it, but I definitely am one.

[Aethon]

Hi, I'm Aethon. I'm 25, I'm a Warden, and...I...I'm a noob. *applause*

[Fr33lanc3r]

Personally, noobs have their place, I just pray that it isn't on my team.

I was an avid CoD4 player back when that was the cool and hip thing to do and got onto a few CAL and later a CPL team and that was something quite a few of us would do is have off named accounts and go "pub/noob stomping". It's considered as a semi-legit form of practice since you usually use loadouts and what not that are tested on what most of us considered as "advanced bot games". In LoL we do it if we've got a friend that's just starting up since we don't want to match his lvl 1 summoner against a bunch of 20+ ranked guys since that could destroy their ability to learn anything.

Newbs can learn, noobs can't and that's where the line is drawn, I have infinite patience with Newbs, I have 0 patience with noobs.

[Atlas3060]

From my gameplay new people will be shown a courtesy and I will actually go out the extra mile to help or teach that person if asked.
Yeah I'm a carebear of sorts in some games.

However those that try to talk smack when they really can't back it up get the Drago treatment from me.
"If he dies, he dies"

[Fabe]

Evedro Solais, on 12 June 2012 - 07:52 PM, said:

Umm,
Newb: Short for Newbie, a relatively new member of an activity. Example: Everyone on Launchday excepting the Beta Testers.

Noob: A player that cannot seem to figure out how to play properly and is dead weight. Example: Lasboat w/o enough heat sinks or Someone who only brought 1 Ton of ammo for their two UAC/5s

N00b: Pretentious form of Noob, typically resorts to unsportsmanlike conduct to cover for a lack of skill. Example: Noob-tubers in CoD that refuse to play with anything other than underbarrel grenade launchers.

Nub: Something that is baseline for the given skill level. Example: Pre-raid gear from Heroics in WoW is Nub.

This comic illustrates the difference between a newbie and a noob pretty well.

http://www.cad-comic.com/cad/20060823

[Rhinehart]

Noob to me is the most hated word in the universe, used by cyberbullies with the same careless vitriol and venom that more conventional thugs have used similar epithets to bully those percieved as weeker or different from themselves for time immemorial. It is the shelter of cowards using anonymity to somehow build up their pathetic and insecure selves by shouting at the universe that this targeted person or people should be scorned and reviled because, well just because. It reminds me mercilessly of every bully I ever dealt with growing up and there were more than a few. To anyone who doubts that Capital Punishment is a deterrent, let me say it is one of the things, along with a sense of justice and a religious upbringing that prevented me from being a mass murderer before leaving high school.

How wonderful that in this virtual universe Bullies can be hunted down and their mechs destroyed

In any online game or sim of any sort, use of the term noob in this way immediately adds you to my Kill on Sight list. It also urges me to help every new player I can develop the skills to be an effective virtual combatant. I've been very fortunate to be mentored by some like minded people in past games/sims. I'll be pleased to be learn the skills needed for MWO and to pass them on, just to allow me to slay anyone I see throwing this hated epithet across the comm waves.

Do I sound bitter?

Better believe I do.

[Atlas3060]

Rhinehart, on 12 June 2012 - 08:39 PM, said:

Better believe I do.

I sense such hatred within you.
Good, good let it flow through you.
We shall hunt down those who talk too much smack and ruin MWO!
Join me and we can create a better world!

[DerMaulwurf]

Noob stomping is one thing.

Boring as hell.

Give me a challenge by fighting my equals. Matchmaking for the win.

[HepatitisTK]

Aethon, on 12 June 2012 - 08:27 PM, said:

Hi, I'm Aethon. I'm 25, I'm a Warden, and...I...I'm a noob. *applause*

For future reference... you're name has been changed in this topic to Bob.

Please say hello to Bob everyone.

I myself will be a newb for a bit of time. Last Mechwarrior Sim I played was way back in MW2 . But I'll learn what I need to know and wont go charging face first in the name of my ancestors... unless I had one too many to drink... which happens often... and leads to some... yea...

[Aethon]

HepatitisTK, on 12 June 2012 - 08:50 PM, said:

For future reference... you're name has been changed in this topic to Bob.

Please say hello to Bob everyone.

I myself will be a newb for a bit of time. Last Mechwarrior Sim I played was way back in MW2 . But I'll learn what I need to know and wont go charging face first in the name of my ancestors... unless I had one too many to drink... which happens often... and leads to some... yea...

OH BOB SAGET!!!